Ongoing project thread of Sirion Rally 2 M101

A bit more dismantling progress this afternoon, the coolant system has been drained, and main radiator hoses removed. The clutch cable has been slacked off and unclipped from the clutch arm on the gearbox, the throttle body and inlet manifold are off to improve access round the back of the engine, and most of the wiring has been unplugged.

I’m still in 2 minds about how to do this - mostly hinging on the AC system which is is the way of everything. if I lower the engine out the bottom on the subframe cradle, then lift the body off the cradle, it should be OK as I can lift the body just far enough to get clearance to pull the gearbox off. A lot of the cables and AC system have what I reckon to be enough ‘slack’ in them that I don’t have to pull them out entirely which will make reassembly quicker and easier.

If I lower the body/nose down to the ground and lift the engine out the top, access will be better but I’ll have to basically undo the entire loom and work out how to disconnect the AC system without gassing myself. I think its possible to unbolt the AC compressor from the aux belt/engine and then leave it all behind as I lift out the engine and gearbox but access that end is utterly dire.

What is the steering rack bolted to? The subframe cradle or the body? If I can get away with not having to unbolt the steering column from the rack that would make my life easier too…

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Sorry Grainger, the steering rack is bolted to the engine subframe cradle.

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“Damn” and indeed, “Blast”. Ok thanks for the heads up, I’ll look to undo the steering knuckle in that case, on the engine side of the bulkhead its covered by some sort of cover or sleeve so you can’t get at it - looks like its going to be some time spent upside down in the drivers footwell with a spanner for me!

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Here we are, back on familiar ground. Changing another clutch. Except this time the work is quite a bit more radical. The Sirion needed its clutch changed, it judders from cold and has led a hard life. Its managed 120k so I’m not too displeased with its innings. FWD clutches are a pain in general, the clutch in the sirion is easily a 5-spanner job. Because its a smoll car, with a transverse engine, the whole ruddy lot has to come out. The engine and gearbox are the entire width of the front inner wings, there is about 1" either side of the engine when its in, and with a full engine cradle subframe you can’t drop one side down to do the job. There are two options. Remove the entire subframe with engine in situ, or unbolt the engine from the subframe and pull it out the top.

Honestly, neither option is particularly palatable. In the end I chose to take it out the top, as taking the subframe out requires undoing the steering column as well as all the other things, and then lifting the body off the whole subframe assembly which looks 0/10 for fun.

I’d spent several evenings this week doing the prep work. I’d disassembled the front suspension, removed the driveshafts, drained the gearbox, drained the coolant, removed the intake manifold, throttle body, hoses, about 8 million connectors and the gear linkage from the engine end. I’d also disconnected the exhaust from the downpipe.

I have my brother coming down tomorrow to help with further work, but had some time this afternoon to carry on the prep work, and made good progress. I ended up hiring an engine crane from a local place

(Beaver Tool Hire, fnarr etc)

I bought myself a load leveller from ebay for £20 to make things easier. There are relatively few pics of the next bit because it was really humid, I had a very heavy engine on a crane swinging about and had limited access. I was able to undo the 3 engine mounts with relative ease, and had the engine firmly attached to the load leveller, but it became apparent that there wasn’t enough room to get it all out without further dismantling. I had to remove the front bumper, the radiator & the radiator support bar to clear the front up so I could swing the engine and gearbox out.

I was still having issues, as the PAS pipework and AC pipework was attached to the pump and compressor respectively. I couldn’t remove these until the engine was free, so had to be a bit of a redneck. With no choice, I had to undo the AC pipework from the radiator, letting loose a poison cloud of death r134a. I ran away for a bit to let the gas escape, not my proudest moment but needs must in this case. For the PAS pump, I ended up pulling the top hose off, I lost a tablespoon of PAS fluid but was able to then wedge the pipe up out the way.

This finally allowed me to lower the body down, lift the engine up and with an alarming thunk noise it was free

You can see the rad brace bar and the PAS pump folded back onto the scuttle and the loom tucked over the passenger side wing. The passenger side headlamp got a bit savaged by the engine as I wheeled the crane out the way, it might be OK with a polish but may need a new unit.

With the engine out, I could remove the aux belt tensioner. This was held on with a rather severely chewed bolt, the issue I had was that in situ, there is about 1" between the tensioner nut and the ABS block, so the only thing you can get on it is an open-ended spanner. Someone had been at this before I got there so I was unable to change the tensioner pulley or aux belt when I changed the alternator. With the engine out, I could get a snug fitting 14mm hex socket on the nut and undo it easily.

Spot the new part!

Its hard to see in this pic, but the tensioner (gold bit) is tensioned by a long threaded bar that goes into a bracket. This has the effect of trapping the aux belt until you remove the threaded bar, but is impossible to see in situ. Doing it with the engine out was a doddle though. I can’t do it up tight yet because I need to refit the engine, then reattach the PAS pump (top right), THEN tension the aux belt up. I also need to make sure I’ve run the belt correctly, I think I have, but not 100% sure.

While I was in there, and the main reason that I left the downpipe attached, I could get a good look at the mounting flange. This joint leaks, and after having a closer look, the issue is that the captive nut on the downpipe side of the flange has rusted away and been replaced with a cut down spring and nut&bolted. The issue is that there are three ‘legs’ of captive nut left which means the nut on the downpipe side can’t tightened up properly so it doesn’t seal right.

With this off the car I could get a rough file in and file the leftover ‘legs’ down flat so that when this all goes back together the nut will sit flush with the flange and should make it seal properly. I ought to have bought myself a crush gasket really, but I intend to have the exhaust replaced with a bigger bore stainless one next year so it’ll do for now.

I lowered the engine and gearbox down onto the legs of the engine crane so the ram isn’t taking the full weight, its basically just keeping the arrangement upright with the weight taken by the crane legs for now.

So thats it for today, tomorrow we’ll pull the gearbox off the engine, replace the clutch with the LuK kit I bought several months ago, refit the gearbox, fit the engine & gearbox to the car and then reassemble everything. further updates to come.

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We’ve run into some snags. Well, one big snag.

The clutch is in, engine refitted and as far as I am aware, all cables and plugs reconnected, the car turns over on the key, but won’t fire - there is no smell of unburnt fuel at the exhaust pipe, even after several minutes of cranking.

With the ignition off after cranking the ABS light and oil light are lit continually.

I have tried to get my diagnostic laptop to talk to the ECU but failed - it won’t/can’t establish communication with the ECU it seems?

Where is the ECU physically located on a 2004 Sirion? What might the issue be? I’m going to go through and check all the wiring again this morning in case I’ve done something stupid, but at a bit of a loss currently. I have a nagging suspicion that I’ve done something terrible to the ECU but I’m not sure how I could have done that, I disconnected the battery about 10 days ago, the battery has been on the trickle/smart charger and has good voltage. Earths have been checked and seem fine?

What does the immobiliser act on? Is it power to the spark plugs, or power to the fuel pump/injectors?

There is currently no coolant in the car, I’ve not finished refitting the pipework and radiator - is there a sensor that might be telling the car not to fire because of this?

please help!

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Hi Granger, The only part I can help with is the position of the ECU. Remove the glovebox, by first opening it, then pressing in either side and it should fall forwards and then out completely, revealing the ECU.
Good luck.

Hey man, sounds like a “forgot a plug” thing ;). There are 4 white plugs that go into the ECU, of which 2 come from the engine bay. Beside the 2 white plugs, there is also a blue plug on the engine harness that needs to be connected. Without this plug fitted, the coils don’t get any power. Check whether or not that plug is connected to the interior harness.

About the ABS/oil light: those should turn off when the engine runs, so for now there’s nothing to worry about.

The immobilizer cuts power to the injectors and coils, but since you haven’t been fiddling around with keys, I don’t think that’s your problem. Also, the fuel pump has a separate relay, so that will work with or without the immobilizer.

I believe diagnostic systems should work when you turn the key to IG(nition). Since it doesn’t, maybe check all the grounds in the engine bay? Especially the big ground cable that runs from the gearbox to the chassis.

Keep us updated, and if it still doesn’t work, let us know!

EDIT: did you take out the engine harness or not? I just looked at the pictures again and noticed there’s no harness on the engine. In that case I’m guessing the plugs inside the car were never unplugged, throwing my hypothesis out the window

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These are the grounds connected to the valve cover, gearbox side. Now, this is from a 3SZ, so I’m not sure if the K3VE2 has the same type of grounds (since the harness is a little different), but if it does, that might be the issue.

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Mixed fortunes today, we were able to fit the driveshafts and rebuild the front suspension so the car now rolls. The clutch works as it should - tested by turning the engine on the starter in gear with clutch pedal up (wheels turn) and down (wheels don’t turn).

We removed the intake, throttle body and inlet manifold to get access to all the plugs, removed them all and then re-attached them to their correct positions. We then built the inlet side back up and tried to start it again.

Same result.

The engine turns over freely, but does not fire. Having removed the fuel hose from the injector rail there was no fuel there at all (I’d previously drained this down) and there is no noise from the fuel pump priming, so there is an issue there.

The engine management light/check engine light does no illuminate AT ALL, I would expect this to light with the ignition in position 2. The diagnostic laptop cannot establish connection with the ECU via the OBD2 port on any protocol. The light definitely works as I know it came on when I was doing the troubleshooting of the idle issue a few months ago, so there is a problem with the ECU talking to other systems.

I found the ECU (Thanks @Rallynrace !) and all the plugs are connected as they are supposed to be, none of this wiring on the cabin side of the bulkhead was touched in any way.

The ABS and oil lights stay illuminated all the time - as in even with the keys out of the ignition. For now I’ve disconnected the battery to stop it being drained. This is not right.

I had a good look at the fusebox (why is it so difficult to access!) and noticed that fuse 14 (Engine) had blown so replaced it, all other fuses looked OK though. After the second try of starting it, fuse 14 had blown again so there is a problem somewhere.

I have a horrible feeling that what has happened is that by flexing the loom to get it clear of the engine, I’ve snapped a wire somewhere which is now shorting out. That would explain the blowing fuses, but there is potentially other things at play here. There is no communication between the OBD2 port and the ECU, and the fuel pump doesn’t work. I had a look and there is a fuel pump relay, but I can’t see a dedicated fuse for it? Or is that what fuse 14 is for? I suppose its possible that the pump has seized, but it could also be that if I can’t communicate with the ECU, then the ECU probably can’t communicate with the fuel pump either.

Finally, we triple checked all grounds, cleaned them up to bright metal with sandpaper and reattached them so I’m quite confident its not an earth issue.

The entire loom is bound up in protective sheath, we checked the ends where it comes out the wrapping but it all looked fine, so I have a horrible feeling that its broken somewhere mid-loom.

So, the car is still immobilised, but in a different way to 2 days ago! It now rolls and steers and can be driven short distances in gear on the starter if needed. The electrical issues however are going to be painful to resolve I fear.

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Sad to here it didn’t work :(. My next suggestion would’ve been to check all the fuses since the fuel pump doesn’t work, but you beat me to it. I suggest you look for the YRV manual. I think it’s on the forum, and if not, you can find it over at https://en.daihatsu-club.net/ (you need to make an account to download manuals). In this manual, you can find wiring diagrams (section HW) which will potentially save a lot of trouble. The YRV will probably be the same or similar to the Sirion in terms of wiring, so unless you feel like reading the Sirion manual in Russian, I think this is the best option. I wish I could do more to help you, but this is not familiar ground for me unfortunately :(. Best of luck!

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Called up a local mobile auto electrician who will come and have a look at it in 10 days time.

He suggested that we might have trapped a wire on reassembly but I’m pretty sure we haven’t as the engine and box were completely separated from the rest of the car by a good 8’ while we did the clutch change. He also suggested that I might have connected the wrong connectors up which is possible but I think unlikely. they pretty much all have to go in one way, but I will have another look later on just in case.

I’ve got a PDF wiring diagram that I can print out and give to him to help in the diagnosis, it means nothing to me. Electricity confuses and frightens me in roughly equal amounts.

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thinking ahead, if the car needs a new loom running then thats not awful if I can buy a secondhand one. Is anyone able to tell me the differences between the one fitted to my car, part number 82121-97433 and the loom for a M2 YRV part number 82121-97447? its for the same K3-VE engine (1.3 litres) and the plugs look to be the same, but there must be a good reason that it has a different part number…

A big difference I noticed between the Cuore loom and the YRV loom, is that the YRV has some kind of loop in it. It goes over and under the dashboard, whereas the Cuore loom only goes over it. I’m not familiar with the Sirions loom, but that could be a difference.

I’m 90% sure that the plug for the heater is different as well. Both prefacelift and facelift Sirions’ heater panel differ from the ones on the YRV. Doors and lights are also possible to be different.

In short, there could be differences, but nothing that can’t be fixed. The easiest way is to get a Sirion loom, but I think a YRV loom should work as well. Just pay attention to certain options, like ABS, foglights, central locking etc. . Not all trims got wiring for those options

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Having had a good look at the exhaust, it seems that the blow/leak is actually from the manifold where it butts up to the engine block.

I need to have another look, but in the meantime can anyone tell me the part number at all for the manifold? I’m expecting it to be hideously expensive as its a mani-cat setup IIRC.

I hope it might be as simple as a blown exhaust gasket but have a suspicion that I may not be lucky.

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Hi Granger, I have two exhaust manifold/Cats. I can put a straight edge on them if you would like one.

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That would be superb if you can? Happy to pay for one!

Here is an artists* impression of what I’m looking at

Looks to me like the flange has rusted away beneath the header pipe of cylinder #3 and its blowing down the block

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I’ll try and get back to you with some photos this afternoon.

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I have uploaded photos of one of the manifolds. This one runs out about 0.5mm at number 1, but it wasn’t blowing, so I’m sure it pulled in OK.

The other one has a rusted out captive nut at the joint.

It should do you until you get a 4 into 1 and sport Cat exhaust!

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I’ll take the 4-into-1 please! :smiley:

Thanks, I’d be happy with either to be honest, is there enough metal on the flanged section to machine it flat or is it best left alone with a gasket to take up the run-out do you think?

The rusted out captive nut is no problem, my current one has this and I have a cut down clamp spring and nut&bolt arrangement already on that.

How much are you after? Happy to take to PM.

(incidentally, where did you get the 4-1 manifold from and dare I ask how much?)

There isn’t a lot of metal on a brand new one to machine!
I really think it would pull tight on a gasket.
There is no charge for it (the Daihatsu manifold not the 4 into 1), you can either collect (B49 5PP) or I can box it up for shipping.
I can’t remember exactly, but the 4 into 1 was only around £250 or possibly less including shipping.

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